Southern Baptist In NC

March 24, 2008

Why the Complaining?

Filed under: Seminary Issues — Tim Rogers @ 12;00 am

It seems that there is a saying I grew up hearing and it applies to what we are now seeing in the blog world. The saying; “Stop spitting in my face and telling me it is raining“. This saying was used when someone was trying to change something that was fact and using words to change public perception in order to change facts. Judge McBryde’s summary judgment is now in, but some seem to be spitting in our faces and telling us it is raining.

With the case of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and her President Dr. Paige Patterson coming to a summary judgment, it seems that it is not good enough for some. In the weeks leading up to the judge’s decision one person said; “Once the jury (or judge) decides a proper verdict, whatever they decide, nobody should complain.” This comment was said on this blog. In the same comment stream this same commenter said; “I trust that we as Southern Baptists can rest in the belief that a sovereign God will ensure a righteous decision, and judgment, shall be forthcoming - however it turns out.” It seems that now this commentor seems to question the ‘outcome of this situation’. Later in the comment stream this same commentor said; “Thanks Bart, for the healthy discussion. I think it is evident that nobody knows the truth - YET. But a court will soon decide.

Well another blog in another comment stream was rife with comments about how many would see the truth and we should follow the judges decisions. It seems that some wanted to make those of us who were calling for an accurate reading of the case feel like we had no business reading, much less commenting on this case. Here one commenter said; “Listening to you parse case law is like watching a ground hog in the clutches of an eagle assuming that he can fly.” But, here you can see that the author of the article referencing to the loyalty of Dr. Blaising and insinuating he is merely trying to cover his proverbial backside.

Today, Craig Blaising is doing his best to cover Defendant Patterson’s hind quarters. In fact, no greater loyalist at SWBTS can be found among Patterson’s two-legged colleagues. His affidavit reveals the nature of his involvement in negotiating Klouda’s contract with the seminary, in revising the conditions of her faculty responsibility to satisfy hesitant trustees, and in doing the dirty work of giving her the boot when Patterson determined that his “sincere religious belief” warranted a unilateral vacation of the trustee majority opinion regarding the suitability of a woman to teach Semitic languages in the School of Theology.

With all of these pre-judgment statements, these same bloggers are now asserting a mistake by the judge. The same judge, whose decision that one said, ‘we all should submit’. Well, now I want you to notice the post-judgment posts. Here, Here, Here, Here, Here, Here, and Here.

As has previously been noted; Once the jury (or judge) decides a proper verdict, whatever they decide, nobody should complain. Why all of the complaints if we trust that we as Southern Baptists can rest in the belief that a sovereign God will ensure a righteous decision, and judgment?

14 Comments »

  1. Tim

    Great Post! It will be interesting to the reaction.

    Comment by Robin Foster — March 24, 2008 @ 10;39 pm

  2. Tim

    Sorry, it’s late. That should read,”Great Post! It will be interesting to see the reaction.”

    God Bless

    Comment by Robin Foster — March 24, 2008 @ 10;47 pm

  3. Tim,

    It’s called hypocrisy. I am still waiting for the post(s) by Wade extolling the righteous judgment of God’s minister, Judge McBryde. If the ruling had been the reverse, I am quite certain that we would have seen numerous posts of just that. :)

    Great post.

    Ron P.

    Comment by Ron P. — March 24, 2008 @ 11;15 pm

  4. Tim,
    Just got in from speaking in KY tonight. This is a great post. Thank you for reminding us with “their” own words.

    RonP,
    I do believe you called it correctly - as you usually do!

    Comment by Tim G — March 25, 2008 @ 12;46 am

  5. tim,

    very good post. i guess the decision by the judge would only have been from God if it had gone in the way they wanted it to go. very interesting.

    david

    Comment by volfan007 — March 25, 2008 @ 10;11 am

  6. I’m having a little trouble with Paige Patterson’s testimony.

    Comment by Debbie Kaufman — March 25, 2008 @ 1;35 pm

  7. You are missing the point with this post. If someone didn’t complain there would still be slavery. Women would not be able to vote.

    I find it funny the real issue is ignored with this post.

    Just because the judge did his thing does not do away with a hurt family and derailed career.

    Comment by pastoralan — March 25, 2008 @ 6;41 pm

  8. alan,
    No one is diminishing the feelings of Klouda family - not that I have seen. Maybe those same feelings should have been accounted for before the encouragement to file suit was given?

    Debbie,
    Could your problem with the testimony be tied to the fact that it was “legally” as many pointed out, an great testimony? I have read were some wanted Dr. Patterson to simly role over and accept this. He did not. Nor his the seminary nor his own legal team. It is a different perspective that had you been in a similiar situation, would have followed the legal advice given. And I might add, for those who claim he lied - can they prove it? The judge said NO.

    Comment by Tim G — March 25, 2008 @ 8;53 pm

  9. Sister Debbie,

    I have done nothing but posted the words of those that pushed Dr. Klouda into this lawsuit. She said; “I am not sure whether the lawsuit was a wise move…“, and it seems that is an understatement. I think that Brother Tim G. has already stated it well.

    Brother Alan,

    Where was that sentiment when Dr. Klouda was not only encouraged to enter into this legal action, but was all but assured of her success by the cheerleaders from the sidelines?

    Blessings,
    Tim

    Comment by Tim Rogers — March 25, 2008 @ 9;45 pm

  10. Tim G: In answer to your first question to me…no.

    Comment by Debbie Kaufman — March 25, 2008 @ 11;59 pm

  11. Tim my brother

    I was saved as a freshman in high school, am currently a deacon and actively involved in our church’s ministry.

    Just thought you would like to know after questioning if we were brothers in Christ over on Peters blog.

    Have a great day!

    Jim Champion

    Comment by Jim Champion — March 26, 2008 @ 4;18 pm

  12. Brother Jim,

    You said; “I was saved as a freshman in high school, am currently a deacon and actively involved in our church’s ministry.

    Just thought you would like to know after questioning if we were brothers in Christ over on Peters blog.

    I have not even come close to any such questioning. I honestly do not know what you are speaking about. Please help me understand the nature of your statement.

    Blessings,
    Tim

    Comment by Tim Rogers — March 26, 2008 @ 7;41 pm

  13. Tim

    In a reply to me on Peters blog you stated Brother Jim, if you really are a brother….

    It was like a slap in the face - I went back and re read it several times. By the time I had finished my comment to you the if you rally are a brother comment had dissappeared. We may not often agree, but I expect better out of you.

    Jim

    Comment by Jim Champion — March 26, 2008 @ 9;11 pm

  14. Perhaps God wanted us to read that arrogant, prideful, extrabiblical deposition and is testing us.

    Comment by Lin — April 13, 2008 @ 10;19 am

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